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Old 02-04-2024, 02:19 PM
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Hi everyone, first post here.

I bought a Q7 about an year ago, is a 2008 with a 3.0TDI BUG with 194000km. It was not in very good shape, little by little have been bringing back alive. the dash had many lights on.

I've solve most of the engine issues (oil, air and coolant leaks, has new oil cooler, egr cleaned, new flap motor for 1 bank, and fixed wiring for the other, new battery, alternator, thermostat). The car when accelerated from low rpm sometimes goes into limp mode ( my obd11 says overboost), but that's for another post.

My main issue is that it is hard to start, and the weird thing is that when its cold outside near 0-5 deg Celsius and around 5AM, it starts quite "fast", usually at first crank, maybe 2-3, a bit of white some while the car reaches 90deg. But cold start during the day is hard with sun or outside temps near 15-20 deg, can need even 7-8 cranks, and on some occasions have to wire to my other car. A lot of white smoke from unburned Diesel. After first start, no problem during the day, the engine work smooth. I live at 2600-2900m above sea level. For this, I had my glow plugs checked, they said they were fine, changed the glow plugs relay, checked wiring, still same. They said that something about my ecu has to be replaced, hardware, but I don't want to touch the ECU.

Seems to cold start way better when cold outside, like if the car is actually using the glow plugs more when cold.

What do you think I should check? I've tried to adapt engine group 12 and change timing for glow plugs but no success with security login so far (what's the security code by the way for a 3/0tdi bug, 12233 doesn't seem to work)

My injectors are not so good, 2 of them doesn't look good on obd11, and the car smoke a bit before getting to 90deg. 'But no vibrations, engines is very very smooth. And no engine codes.

Best regards,

Juan
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Juan, welcome to this forum!

From my own experience with OBD-Eleven VAGCOM @ their Pro subscribed/access level, I can say I loved it for general scanning and some of the quick program mods it offered on my Q7...seems very good for hobbyists/dabblers, but for actual troubleshooting and repairs of my TDI, it was telling me to buy new control modules and not really helping me fix anything. I ended up getting the Ross-Tech VCDS VAGCOM, which is much better, IMHO, for doing the actual diagnostics and repairs work, and was able to resolve my car's issues pretty easily at that point.

That said, the things you should pay careful attention to are the fuel balance between the injectors, the speed of engine crank over at cold start in various temperatures, and how quickly the glow-plug cycle completes during start-up, etc. As you haven't posted a VAGCOM scan of your car, it's difficult to help you assess the issue without data. Leaky or clogged injectors can create problems, so can a dirty air filter or MAF sensor on the air intake. Post up a current full scan from the car is best way to get some help with technical issues.

Good luck!
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Originally Posted by '10Q7TDI_Prestige'
Juan, welcome to this forum!

From my own experience with OBD-Eleven VAGCOM @ their Pro subscribed/access level, I can say I loved it for general scanning and some of the quick program mods it offered on my Q7...seems very good for hobbyists/dabblers, but for actual troubleshooting and repairs of my TDI, it was telling me to buy new control modules and not really helping me fix anything. I ended up getting the Ross-Tech VCDS VAGCOM, which is much better, IMHO, for doing the actual diagnostics and repairs work, and was able to resolve my car's issues pretty easily at that point.

That said, the things you should pay careful attention to are the fuel balance between the injectors, the speed of engine crank over at cold start in various temperatures, and how quickly the glow-plug cycle completes during start-up, etc. As you haven't posted a VAGCOM scan of your car, it's difficult to help you assess the issue without data. Leaky or clogged injectors can create problems, so can a dirty air filter or MAF sensor on the air intake. Post up a current full scan from the car is best way to get some help with technical issues.

Good luck!
Hello, thank you very much for the reply

Here is a full scan (obd11 pro)

OBDeleven vehicle history log

Date: 2024-02-05 10:25

VIN: WAUZZZ4L98D037698
Car: Audi Q7
Year: 2008
Body type: SUV
Mileage: 193690 KM

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 01 Engine
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: 3.0L V6TDI G000AG
Software number: 4L1910401
Software version: 0020
Hardware number: 4L0907401
Faults:
U1007 - Battery monitoring control module Read out DTC Upper limit exceeded
static
Priority: 0
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 255
Mileage: 193662 km
Date: 2024-02-05 06:27:07


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 02 Transmission
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: AL 750 6A
Software number: 09D927750FS
Software version: 1000
Hardware number: 09D927750FS
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 03 Brakes
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ESP ALLRAD MK25E1
Software number: 4L0910517B
Software version: 0010
Hardware number: 4L0614517D
Faults:
00668 - Vehicle voltage terminal 30 Lower limit not reached
Intermittent
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 73
Mileage: 193659 km
Date: 2024-02-05 06:16:29


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 05 Keyless System
Active faults: 3
Inactive faults: 0
System description: FBSAUDIC6 ELV H31
Software number: 4F0910852
Software version: 0230
Hardware number: 4F0905852B
Hardware version: 242
Serial number: 10601500935636
Faults:
00192 - Left rear exterior door handle touch sensor Short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:30:05
00193 - Right rear exterior door handle touch sensor Short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:30:05
00190 - Driver exterior door handle touch sensor Open circuit
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:30:05


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 07 Display
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Interfacebox H43
Software number: 4L0910732G
Software version: 5140
Hardware number: 4E0035729A
Serial number: 387K3077562738
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 08 Air Conditioning
Active faults: 5
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH07
Software number: 4L0910043B
Software version: 0030
Hardware number: 4L0820043K
Serial number: 00000000141970
Faults:
02874 - Comfort system central control module 2 Implausible signal
static
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:57:51
00819 - High pressure sensor Open circuit/short circuit to ground
Intermittent
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 3
Driving cycle: 74
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:00:12
00446 - Function limitation due to insufficient voltage
Intermittent
Priority: 6
Frequency counter: 2
Driving cycle: 73
Mileage: 193659 km
Date: 2024-02-05 06:16:43
00711 - Left footwell flap motor mechanical malfunction
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 193674 km
Date: 2024-02-05 09:37:55
01087 - Basic settings not carried out no or incorrect basic setting/adaptation
static
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 30
Mileage: 185605 km
Date: 2022-10-19 18:38:01


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 09 Central Electrics
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ILM Fahrer H18
Software number: 4F0910279K
Software version: 0250
Hardware number: 4F0907279
Serial number: 4F0907279
Faults:
01494 - Left side marker lamp bulb Open circuit
static
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 35
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:00:00


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 0E Media Player
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: MP3-Changer H45
Software number: 4L0910110B
Software version: 0390
Hardware number: 4L0035110
Hardware version: 000
Serial number: AUZ5ZBG1503780
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 15 Airbag
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: 71 AIRBAG AUDI8RH42
Software number: 4L0910655D
Software version: 0230
Hardware number: 4L0959655C
Serial number: 00399D03TF50
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 16 Steering Column
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: J0527
Software number: 4F0910549A
Software version: 0410
Hardware number: 4F0953549D
Serial number: 90025073090429
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 17 Dashboard
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H16
Software number: 4F0910900C
Software version: 0240
Hardware number: 4L0920900J
Hardware version: H16
Serial number: 66X16NEC7
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 18 Parking Heater
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Heizgeraet H08
Software number: 4L0910105
Software version: 0080
Hardware number: 4L0815071D *
Serial number: 00000009014264
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 19 Gateway
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: J533__Gateway H06
Software number: 4L0910468A
Software version: 0060
Hardware number: 4L0907468B
Serial number: 1100B07B0681BE
Faults:
02873 - Rearview camera system control module No signal/communication
Intermittent
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 73
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:57:58


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 1E Media Player 2
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: SG ext.Player
Software number: 4E0035785D
Software version: 0830
Hardware number: 4E0035785
Hardware version: H15
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 36 Driver Seat
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Sitzmemory FS H01
Software number: 4F0910760
Software version: 0100
Hardware number: 4L0959760
Serial number: 00000000896401
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 42 Driver Door
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: TSG FA H12
Software number: 4L0910793B
Software version: 0150
Hardware number: 4L0959793B
Faults:
00920 - Heated outside mirrors Electrical error in circuit
Intermittent
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 2
Driving cycle: 74
Mileage: 193659 km
Date: 2024-02-04 16:53:07


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 46 Comfort System
Active faults: 5
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Komfortgeraet H07
Software number: 4L0910289F
Software version: 0050
Hardware number: 4L0907289C
Serial number: 01077292520000
Faults:
01134 - Alarm horn Electrical error in circuit
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 254
Driving cycle: 243
Mileage: 101139 km
Date: 2018-04-13 19:16:54
01134 - Alarm horn No signal/communication
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 254
Driving cycle: 243
Mileage: 101139 km
Date: 2018-04-13 19:16:54
02960 - Lamp in bumper, left rear Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 254
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 182865 km
Date: 2007-05-22 13:28:28
02957 - Lamp in rear lid, right Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 254
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 185209 km
Date: 2022-10-14 17:06:43
02956 - Lamp in rear lid, left Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 254
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 184278 km
Date: 2022-03-23 14:46:56


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 4F Central Electrics 2
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ILM Beifahrer H12
Software number: 4F0910280
Software version: 0100
Hardware number: 4F0907280E
Hardware version: ---
Serial number: 00000000065207
Faults:
01797 - Power steering hydr. pressure valve Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 3
Driving cycle: 35
Mileage: 193656 km


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 52 Passenger Door
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: TSG BF H12
Software number: 4L0910793B
Software version: 0150
Hardware number: 4L0959792B
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 55 Headlight Regulation
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Dynamische LWR H01
Software number: 8P0907357H
Software version: 0010
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 56 Radio
Active faults: 1
Inactive faults: 0
System description: TUNER EU/US/RDW H42
Software number: 4E0910541Q
Software version: 0620
Hardware number: 4E0035541S
Serial number: 388K5077658436
Faults:
00856 - Antenna, on radio Open circuit
static
Priority: 5
Frequency counter: 79
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 97592 km
Date: 2017-12-18 09:46:13


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 61 Battery Regulation
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: J0644 BEM H12
Software number: 4L0910181A
Software version: 0690
Hardware number: 4L0915181
Serial number: 00000000038135
Faults:
02254 - Interface to generator No signal/communication
static
Priority: 4
Frequency counter: 5
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:57:57
03041 - Energy management active
static
Priority: 7
Frequency counter: 4
Driving cycle: 255
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:57:57


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 62 Rear Left Door
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: TSG HL H21
Software number: 4L0910795B
Software version: 0150
Hardware number: 4L0959795B
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 6D Deck Lid Control
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ValeoHeckdeckel H25
Software number: 4L0910945
Software version: 0290
Hardware number: 4L0827851C
Hardware version: H25
Serial number: E5030000B
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 6F Comfort System 2
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: ILM HINTEN 2 H05
Software number: 4L0910290A
Software version: 0060
Hardware number: 4L0907290A
Serial number: 003263074-----
Faults:
02960 - Lamp in bumper, left rear Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 2
Frequency counter: 7
Driving cycle: 35
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:58:00
02907 - Roof shade control module no or incorrect basic setting/adaptation
static
Priority: 5
Frequency counter: 6
Driving cycle: 34
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:58:01


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 72 Rear Right Door
Active faults: 0
Inactive faults: 0
System description: TSG HR H21
Software number: 4L0910795B
Software version: 0150
Hardware number: 4L0959794B
Faults:
No trouble codes found

Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21

---------------------------------------------------------------
Fault
Control unit: 76 Parking Assistance
Active faults: 2
Inactive faults: 0
System description: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H12
Software number: 4F0910283H
Software version: 0080
Hardware number: 4F0919283H
Serial number: 06320731202679
Faults:
01549 - Supply voltage for park assist sensor Open circuit/short circuit to ground
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:58:01
01549 - Supply voltage for park assist sensor Lower limit not reached
static
Priority: 3
Frequency counter: 1
Driving cycle: 33
Mileage: 193656 km
Date: 2024-02-04 15:58:02


Mileage: 193690 km
Date: 2024-02-05 10:21
Injectors after 1h15min drive and about 5 min not moving (waiting for full scan), no throttle.


seem about right, going to try tomorrow again, why, because, seem weirdly good, look at the injectors like a month ago:


That was before fixing a lot of things, including the flaps, wiring, this one of the injectors from 1 bank was way off (value3), and sometimes value1. But now, Iīm surprised a lot better.

Took a quick video this morning after 1h15min trip, and the car start quite fast and engine runs very smooth (
)

Thanks again for help,

Best Juan
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Forgot to mention, I donīt have the key with control, only the emergency key, so each time I have to put key in door to open car and quickly open switch before alarm goes off. I started the video with the switch on. In case you are wondering, if I turn it off and then on, or first time on, the glow plug light come on for about a sec and then off.
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Your car def has some electrical gremlins going on...door handle parasitic battery drains, etc., and multiple codes related to either low voltage sensed....energy management active in BEM system module/19, as well as high voltage error codes from overcharging sensed, etc. I get that one sometimes if I leave my automated charger on car at it's 'high' setting rather than use a trickle charge setting/lower volts, etc.

Best advice is pick an outlier to work on...door handle remediation/unplugging at base of the handle inside door card costs you nothing. It's likely you'll find the injector seals and o-rings, and quite possibly at least some injectors will need replacing if the tips have swollen or otherwise mishapen, as that indicates they are going to fail, and leaked fuel in cylinders will kill your engine...not something you want.
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