The third episode of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds season 2 arrives this week. We have details along with new images and a clip. SPOILERS.
“Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow”
Episode 3 of Strange New Worlds’ second season is called “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow,” a hint that it involves time travel. The episode was written by David Reed, and directed by Amanda Row. It debuts on Paramount+ on Thursday, June 29.
Synopsis:
La’An travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter humanity’s future history—and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy.
NEW images from episode 3:
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley (Paramount+)
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Paul Wesley as Kirk, Christina Chong as La’an and Carol Kane as Pelia (Paramount+)
Carol Kane as Pelia (Paramount+)
Previously released images from episode 3:
Christina Chong as La’an and Paul Wesley as Kirk (Paramount+)
Carol Kane as Pelia and Christina Chong as La’an (Paramount+)
Paul Wesley as Kirk, Christina Chong as La’an and Carol Kane as Pelia (Paramount+)
Clip:
The latest The Ready Room includes a clip of La’an encountering a time traveler on the Enterprise (clip starts at 27:10).
New season trailer
Here is a new “accolades” trailer for season 2.
Season 2 episodes drop weekly on Thursdays on Paramount+ in the U.S, the U.K., Australia, Latin America, Brazil, France, Italy, Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Season 2 is also available on SkyShowtime elsewhere in Europe. The second season will also be available to stream on Paramount+ in South Korea, with premiere dates to be announced at a later date.
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Face to face with her own legacy? Are we doing a Kahn thing before Kahn? Please don’t do a Kahn thing. If there is and acknowledgment of the eugenics wars, that’s cool. But don’t do a Kahn thing.
What about a Khan thing? ;-)
Needs more Khan Bell!
Maybe a cameo from Benedict Cumberbatch…. (facepalm) :-)
Maybe it’s a tie-in to Picard season two, with Soong.
Right now there are multiple genocides and conflicts going on around the world. Perhaps there is a tie to indicate all that happening while they go shopping in the downtown department store.
Also, does this mean this episode takes place in Vermont? Perhaps we get to see Bernie in Star Trek? (!!)
No Bernie Sanders in Star Trek. Absolutely no.
Yeah, lets bring back the space Nazi’s. It’ll give the red hatters something to cheer about, that they haven’t been replaced.
Oooh, snap!
Ha!
LOL!
Lol!
We already saw Stacy.
Maybe head down to SC to run into Tim Scott
Toronto. They actually kept Toronto as Toronto apparently.
Do they go there using an Iconian portal?
Not sure. The dying guy in the clip looks like he is one of those time travel guys in Voyager.
Hopefully.
I agree; please no Khan.
No Khan do.
Clever
“I agree; please no Khan.”
It’s 2013 all over again lol. Unfortunately they didn’t listen then…
Well, using the character Khan Noonien Singh is not a good idea. But I always liked the actress Madeline Kahn, she was very funny.
If we’re time trippin this episode, we can go old school Khan. Genghis Khan, that is.
Or go to the planet Eternia to battle Kobra Khan
Or to the Dark Continent in the 1980s to battle Kamal Khan (who I used to call Carmel Corn) from OCTOPUSSY
chaka khan……chaka chaka khan
Chaka Khan Noonien Singh the Singer
This week only at the Lizard Lounge at the beautiful Perserverance Hotel in New Las Vegas, Mars. No cover charge, two drink minimum!!
Eternia is He-Man
Kobra is GI-JOE.
Imran is still around. No need for Fleming.
If McGivers actress Madeline Rhue had married Khan, wouldn’t she have become Madeline Khan?
And yeah, Ms. Kahn was awesome in all sorts of ways, and lost to us all WAY before her time.
Yeah, I can hardly recall another performer who got that kind of mileage out of poking fun at her own sexiness. (When I learned of her passing, all I could think was, “I’m tired.”)
Ms. Rhue also was lost to us way too soon.
Rhue is another case where folks seem to print the legend regarding her non-involvement on TWOK. My good bud (whose serious dedicated research efforts regarding Trek make me look like a piker) and his collaborator really smote down the inept reporting on this one (for short version, go down to ‘snake eating” in article to see just HOW inept): https://www.facttrek.com/blog/rhue
That was fascinating, thanks. Always more to learn!
I always figured that McGivers was killed-off to provide Khan with the requisite motivation for offing the good admiral in the most painful way possible. I wasn’t familiar with the latter part of Rhue’s career, and it’s nice to see that she retained her loveliness well into her illness.
Hey, if we’ve got Carole Kane, why not a digitally re-created Madeline Kahn? Then all we need is Kermit and we can do The Muppet Movie….IN SPACE.
that’s a myth
*walks by, turns around*
…yeth?
..good grief, a running gag
We Khan work it out.
I Khan’t stand that kind of thing.
Make a Pros and Khans list.
Just a heads up, they really need to put a spoiler tag on that accolades video. Something big gets spoiled in the first 5 seconds…if you know you know.
All I can see is that Pike has a different badge, and I’m sure that Means Something.
Thanks for the heads up. I am glad I skipped the video.
What is it? I like spoilers.
I went back to watch it specifically to catch whatever it was and I gotta be honest, I can’t figure out what the spoiler is you’re referring to.
..but if you already know then it’s not a spoiler and if you don’t know, then you don’t know and it can’t really be spoiled can it? :headscratcher:
Gonna make me watch it, instead of just telling everyone?
Pike gives a speech. Mentions exploring a million years from now. Slightly different uniform insignia.
Apparently, I don’t know….
He’s wearing a Fleet Captain’s insignia
Fleet captaining will put a crimp in exploring strange new worlds. Unless you take the fleet with you…
Where is it stated that being a fleet Captain means Pike can not command said fleet from Enterprise? Making it his Flagship.
I believe Rear Admiral Raymond A. Spruance was a Fleet Admiral during World War 2 and U.S.S. Enterprise CV-6 was his flagship. He was not necessarily in “command” of Enterprise but it was for all intents and purposes his command.
In Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home, Chekov and Uhura spot the Nuclear Vessel Enterprise at the Alameda port in San Francisco in the year 1986. I believe there was also a NASA Space Shuttle named Enterprise!
It’s not just the name of various class star ships!
Well, using your example, if Admiral Spruance needed to do some fleet captaining, he got his XO to get on the radio and then his command knew what needed to be done. If Starfleet needs Fleet Captain Pike to command his fleet for some task, and Pike is Lost in Space somewhere exploring a strange new world well out of communications range, instead of being somewhere central to his fleet, well, that makes being a fleet captain not much more then a title.
I’ve seen that episode and it’s really not much of a spoiler unless you’re one of those people who truly wants to go in knowing absolutely nothing.
In which case why are you on an article about next weeks episode??
This is actually a very good episode, you’ll see a different version of Kirk compared to last season’s finale. I won’t say any more than that.
Please say more.
Good, I was hoping that would be the case.
How to save money?
Shoot on normal streets of the city you’re shooting in in the time period of now lol
It worked for Star Trek IV? I guess…
Yes, it is a fantastic way to save money so that they can spend more on expensive visual effects later in the season (such as CGI Gorn and big ship battles). Myself, I rather enjoy when you can see budgetary limitations on the show. It feels more like Star Trek that way.
Kind of funny if you think about it. The major reason many people chose to do shows on streaming was the supposed increased budgets but when it comes to the production itself, they have to save the budget.
Which is odd as increased budgets doesn’t = better productions. And ironically it’s those high costs that let streaming services to the prespice they are on.
I seriously do not understand where the money is going on these shows, unless a huge piece of the action is getting parceled out to the voluminous number of producer-types spattered all over the credits.
We KNOW the vfx vendors are barely even breaking even, so the outlay there is relatively modest (and given the on-screen results, I’d say they’re not even getting what they paid for, either that or they keep rejecting photorealistic work in favor of the gunk we see in the space scenes.)
I also know from talking to the crew guys on P-S3 that they were totally jammed timewise on-set, so it wasn’t like they had a leisurely shooting schedule. Where is this money going? (I know for a fact that SEBERG, a low-budget feature from a few years back, was done for 9 mil, and it even managed to afford to shoot on FILM. And that includes a couple of well-done VFX scenes for period effect, plus a lot of location shooting and a couple of pretty major stars.)
The VFX industry needs to unionize — the have so much leverage right now that could be applied. They are going to be way left behind by the deals that DGA, SAG, and eventually even the clown show WGA, are going to get this summer — and they were already way behind those trades.
Hey, I used to write for the Visual Effects Society’s magazine VFX VOICE, but had to give up because the rates they paid writers were not only fixed (as in, you couldn’t get a bump-up by doing a lot of good jobs, like most places that start you off low) but at an absurdly low level.
If the VES can’t or won’t even pay freelancers what would come to minimum wage anywhere in the US for articles, how poverty-row is that bunch? (to give you an idea, that flat-rate for print articles is less than I made for my first published article back in 1990. And their web rate is only 40% of that!) VES does not seem to look after its own or the unionization you mention would have had some inroads made long before so much of the work got outsourced. I know there are lots of very smart people involved, many of whom I’d interviewed multiple times about projects. I don’t know if it is that they don’t know how to play hardball or what … they can’t be getting conned by producers EVERY single time, can they? (then again, Bennett managed to do that with Shatner for the duration of TFF, so who knows)
It’s not the editor’s fault, he seems like a good guy, but there’s something really screwed up there. More than once, he assigned me a story, only to find out much later the publisher had assigned the same story to another writer, so I wound up with nothing for one story and a trivial kill fee for another. Plus, having to hunt up and caption the images — which is done internally by every other outlet I’ve ever written for — is a huge timesuck, which actually made writing some articles into a losing proposition for me.
And some studios don’t seem to respect that magazine’s long lead times, often guaranteeing they can have VFX images three months ahead of release, but then not delivering them till months after (or in a couple cases, not at all, which is why my TENET story for them doesn’t even have any VFX images.)
I have a feeling if AI makes inroads into journalism, it’ll probably start with VFX VOICE, because, quite honestly, workaday humans can’t afford to write for them.
Interesting! I can’t say that I am surprised about your experience. It’s unfortunate.
Already well into middle age, I was studying CGI as a possible second career when Framestore went bankrupt mere months after winning an Oscar for providing LIFE OF PI with some damned fine photoreal VFX of various animals, seascapes, etc. I took it as a sign that, much like traveling the cosmos, making a jump into the arts is a game for the young.
The hours demanded of VFX folks make it a game for the young, granted. And yet just a few months back, I read someplace about a guy just a few years younger than us, in his mid to late 50s, got his first writing job on staff of a tv series. Of course now I guess that is in peril owing to the strike, but even so …
In the advertising world, graphic designers are ALWAYS underpaid. Directors get better pay and benefits, still, everyone work over 8 hours, all day, all night, weekends, under a LOT of stress during production.
I bet the VFX industry is in a similar situation. In advertising, designers are the last in line to receive the approved content and they are under a lot of pressure to get it done right away. The day before, if that could be an option. :D
Hope the VFX already have an union. If not, they should unionize. Not fair that all profit goes to few people and the investors. The people who do all the dirty work, the ones who really create all the awe and beauty need more than awards and handshakes.
I remember when Anson Mount joined Discovery. He was so humble and grateful. He used to tweet images of the food provided on set. It was sad. Felt so bad for them. What we see in the front end is not exactly what we see in the back end.
I’ve heard tales from people who claim to be formerly connected with studios that there is simply a lot of waste going on in productions today. Waste in that money is being used for procedures or systems that could easily be streamlined or eliminated altogether. I’m not talking about safety sort of things. I’m talking about studio bureaucracy kind of things. And honestly, I can believe them. I currently work in a major industry (not entertainment but similar in size) and I, too, see a lot of waste in my own organization.
You say that like it’s a problem. It isn’t.
San Francisco has never been a filming hub, so choosing it over Los Angeles (or even New York) is a big reason why Star Trek IV cost more than III.
IV’s $ increase was pretty nominal (I think 22 to 24 mil over III’s 16 or 17, and TWOK’s 13), and there were only a limited number of location days up there, with a lot of kinda iffy subsitutions we weren’t supposed to notice or object to, like Will Rogers State Park standing in feebly for Golden Gate Park.
I’m local to the Bay Area and saw all the “cheats” as it were. It was pretty obvious.
I wonder if we’ll actually see Khan. It sounds like we will at least be seeing the results of the Eugenics War. If Khan does show up, then he will either not meet Kirk, or this is actually another alternate timeline Kirk.
Khan should already be aboard Botany Bay if this is in the 21st Century, Khan left in 1996.
The writers seem to have moved Khan and the Eugenics War to the 21st century. The end of Picard season 2 suggested that Adam Soong will be involved with Khan, and in the SNW premiere Pike said that our current real life problems lead to something called the Second Civil War, which leads to the Eugenics War, which leads to WWIII.
The writers have said that historical records from the era are incomplete which led to Spock and others misidentifying Khan’s era as the 1990s. Personally I think that’s a bit of a stretch, and I never had a problem with Trek’s 90s being different from the real 90s, but whatever. It would be cool to see Khan anyway,
Not just historical records screwed up then, because the deep-freeze had apparently fried Khan’s brain, since Khan himself states 1996 in TWOK.
Yeah, there are a lot of problems with that. But it seems to be the direction they’re going. The writers have also suggested that the Temporal War may have moved things around, which is also dumb for different reasons.
When does Khan say 1996 in TWOK? I’m pretty sure he actually contradicts that date with his comment of ruling on Earth “200 years ago” from the 23rd century.
Part of his big speech to the captured Starfleet folk. Along the lines of, what? you never told the tale to amuse your captaina bout how the enterprise picked up the botany bay, lost in space from 1996 …
In the german dubbed version they made a wise decision and declared the eugenic wars in the 2090s. ;-)
The 2090s, 30 years after First Contact, doesn’t make any sense.
Again, that’s just the SNW people saying “F U, canon.” Trek history is not OUR history. Moving the timeline just for their silly episode is truly effed up. And not unexpected from the skill level of today’s Trek writers.
Yes. I’m not sure how directly those wars would affect 2023 Toronto…
Genghis Khan, perhaps.
I think the teaser cleared up that this is a time travel/multiverse episode.
Bottom of this article is showing me the ad for Prodigy on Paramount+. Ooof. Still hurts. Sorry for being off topic!
First world problem.
If you’e in the first world, then first world problems are problems.
It’s a Star Trek message board, I think it’s reasonable for this to be a safe place for people to lament something like that…
Can someone ban this troll? This is a Star Trek chat, not your private place to vent your frustrations. Be civil or be gone.
Ugh. This time travel plot seems so unnecessary. Seems it would be more fun Kirk and La’An trapped behind Klingon lines trying to prevent an attack, liberate a colony, dealing with Augments or something if they want a Eugenics connection.
but you can’t break canon doing sensical things like that.
Hopefully, this is where Kirk learns that the 20th century is primitive; they still use money and grabs a couple of ‘the giants’ to read on the trip home (Harold Robbins, Jacqueline Susann)
LOL.
“You can’t break canon doing… …. that.”
Exactly right. It really feels like this show goes out of its way to say ‘F off, canon’. And from what I hear that isn’t the only thing they are going to screw with in the episode.
I get the feeling that this Kirk comes from a time period post Space Seed.
Yeah, just keep assuming that the showrunners are going out of their way to piss you off, personally. That’ll surely keep things in perspective.
Once I thought about it, it did bug me that Captain Kirk knew both of those authors.
As a kid I always thought Spock’s comment, “The giants” referred to the San Francisco Giants. I just assumed they were famously foul-mouthed.
Meyer’s Kirk is a thing apart from GR Kirk, even if they overlap in important ways. Ditto for his Spock.
In the Bay Area in the 70s, there was a popular bumpersticker for people who liked both of the local baseball teams, the San Francisco Giants and the Oakland Athletics (aka THE A’s.) The sticker read: I’M A GIANT ATHLETIC SUPPORTER.
(and some of you wonder how I come by what passes for humor … I’m a product of my environment!)
Lol
I had a friend who objected mightily to the notion that hacks like Jacqueline Susann and Harold Robbins would be thought of as literary giants by the 23rd century. Personally, I thought it was hilarious.
My then-girlfriend didn’t get it either, even though Spock/Nimoy’s tone seemed arch enough to sell it. It didn’t get much of a laugh in the theater either, but I definitely appreciated the jab (given TVH, maybe I should call it a harpoon) , having spent most of the TOS movie years managing bookstores.
the behind-klingon-lines makes me think of Blish’s SPOCK MUST DIE! (that’s DIE!, not DIET), and I was thinking how you could change the two Spocks aspect there from a transporter glitch into a genetic dupe of Spock gone wrong to get a eugenics connection. Man, I really loved the space battle in that book, and the battle of Spocks at the end could be a real VFX showcase, too.
I’m gonna be that stickler and say I feel that Kirk wouldn’t use mild profanity when asking someone why they were on his ship, at least not initially. She appears to be Starfleet and while I fully believe that Kirk would know all 430 crew members by site and would immediately recognize someone who isn’t one of his crew as such, I don’t think he’d swear. If anything he should be calling security to the bridge. And yes, we don’t know who “this” Kirk is given that altered timelines are likely a part of this episode, but he can’t be a vastly different Kirk, as we know he goes back in time with La’an to fix whatever was broken, which indicates he’s basically the same Captain Kirk that we know.
I don’t see why Kirk wouldn’t use an incredibly mild swear in this situation. Having him drop an f bomb would be weird, but his reaction here seems understated if anything.
I don’t deny that it’s an incredibly mild swear, just that it seems out of character for Shatner’s Kirk, whom this is purported to be.
As for understated, I’d say his tone seems correct given the apparent circumstances. Granted I feel mild annoyance and an almost severe directness from a starfleet captain at the level of Kirk would be equivalent to a regular person screaming like a mad person.
It was the 60s, they weren’t allowed to swear much on TV. Now they can say literally anything. I never once heard Picard say ‘fuck’ before in TNG or the movies but he did last season…because he now can and that’s a lot stronger than ‘hell’. I just wouldn’t overthink it.
And by the way, it’s been confirmed Spock also says ‘fuck’ in this season too. So if you’re having a hard time with Kirk saying ‘hell’ it’s going to get a lot harder for you. Again, because they now can.
Hopefully when Spock says it, it’s a suggestion to T’Pring, and not an explitive on the bridge!
They got around it a few times by having Picard say “merde” which is “sh*t” in French.
He said it with a tone that hardly takes it into “profanity” territory. Not even close, really. He surprised, but casual enough. Honestly, TOS Kirk would’ve been more angry than curious.
What’s wrong with a little mild profanity? This show’s positively tame in that regard compared to Picard.
It just feels off to me, and I read it as another another attempt to make Star Trek more REAL (not yelling just drawing attention to the word.)
As for “Picard” it was swinging for the, This Ain’t Your Father’s Star Trek, fences in a way that was both misguided and childish. Not to mention the second F bomb dropped in Trek history lacked any emotional reality within that scene, given that if it had to be used it should have come at the end of the conversation between Picard and the Admiral, not toward the beginning.
As I said in another post, Spock will drop the F bomb this season as well.
I think JTK can handle the occasional “hell.” It’s the advanced stuff like “double dumb ass on you” that gets him tripped up.
when in the past, colorful metaphors are ok….
It’s hard for me to argue with a guy named Bill when it comes to what Kirk can and can’t say.
I also wouldn’t assume Kirk would know every single crew member, when lower ranked officers and enlisted come and go all the time.
Well if that’s the case then that makes his response even more unusual; if he doesn’t know every person on his ship why would he assume a person dressed in a starfleet uniform, who just walked onto his bridge and called for the captain, does not belong on his ship. Now if he said “bridge” that could make sense because they’re at red alert and there could be a standard order that no personnel enter the bridge during that ship status, unless specifically called to the bridge, i.e. damage control teams, medical personnel, personnel to take over for wounded or killed bridge members, etc.
“She appears to be Starfleet and while I fully believe that Kirk would know all 430 crew members by site and would immediately recognize someone who isn’t one of his crew as such.”
Not completely true. He didn’t know who Lt. Moreau was at the end of Mirror, Mirror. But to be fair, she was recently assigned a week ago or close to it. Can’t remember. And he only recognized her from the Mirror Universe.
Not sure if it counts, but he didn’t recognize that Sisko and Dax weren’t supposed to be on his ship either.
Wow excellent point. The fact they weren’t suppose to even be there and wasn’t red flagged totally goes that Kirk knew everyone if time travelers from the future had no problem accessing the bridge.
Kirk said dammit several times
Know your Star Trek!
Let’s get the hell out of here…..
Not in TOS, he didn’t
In TOS, Kirk said “hell” (in City on the Edge of Forever” and Bones said “dammit” all the time. I have no issues with the use of every day language in this or any other show.
No, Bones did not say “dammit” even once on TOS, let alone all the time. Go on, prove me wrong.
Sorry, let me be more specific… When I say TOS, I also include the TOS movies in that grouping. Bones also say “you are really starting to p*ss me off…” as well as all through TOS… movies… there is a lot more colourful language.
Yes, that’s all true. But it just underscores the fact that the TOS movies are a very different beast, made under very different circumstances, than TOS itself.
Just to be clear, “Let’s get the hell out of here” is the only use of profanity, however mild, ever to appear on TOS, and that’s precisely what makes it so impactful. It doesn’t even appear in the script for the episode.
We are also talking about very different eras of TV. In the 50s, I Love Lucy couldn’t show a married couple on the same bed. The 60s, you couldn’t even say “God”. An interracial kiss caused controversy. Saying “Hell” was a strong profanity. The late 80s and early 90s allowed more suggestive scenes and more profanity. Steaming services brought in nudity and regular everyday profanity. Times change. Yes, saying let’s get the hell out of here in the 60s made an impact. I’m 2023, it doesn’t.
I wonder if there’s a segment where La’an orders a coffee from Starbucks and the barista yells out her name: Kaaaaaahn!
Or in this variant timeline, Khan, after launching a successful online newspaper, tries to go semi-legit for public office before falling back on the tyrant route, but he is undone publicly by past indiscretions in tonight’s episode, CITIZEN KHAN.
You had to just effing go there, didn’t you?
It is in my character that I feel compelled to go there. (face it, if this were a fetish website, my username would probably be CitizenCaned.)
Besides, Nick Meyer tried to leverage off KANE for his draft of TOMORROW NEVER DIES, so at least any failing on my part is not going to be as grandly godawful as that.
Then again, maybe such a failure need to be grandiose. As Khan was supposed to say in Sowards’ draft for TWOK, “If you’re going to lie to me, I want to hear a great lie, an overwhelming lie!” (am paraphrasing, so if I don’t remember it right, pick me up by that coathanger rack hook on the front of my spacesuit and shake me like a dog.)
Is Flogging Molly still touring?
I see what you did there….
Does she have a internet show?
Not….Can!
Adam Soong should be in this as a follow up to Picard season 2.
“…and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy.”
Please God, let’s not re-cast Khan again. No one needs that.
SNW already recast Kirk, Spock, Pike, Number One, Uhura, Chapel, M’Benga, and April. Why should Khan be off limits?
They just need to find the right British actor…
This one looks interesting also the preview of 29th century tech should be fun.
So it seems, Trek tickles the multi-verse. Looking forward to another good episode.
Every time a prequel to TOS does time travel, it makes the TOS time travel episodes that much less significant. When Kirk’s crew first time-traveled, it was treated like a very big deal. The crew were in awe of it. But since then, time travel has occurred in multiple episodes of Enterprise, Discovery and now Strange New Worlds. By the time it happened in TOS, everyone should have been saying “Oh, man, not again. OK, so here are 12 methods we can fix this, based on past examples.”
All too true, but in a sense, nothing new. If you read Harlan Ellison’s original draft teleplay for “The City on the Edge of Forever,” it’s made clear that not only it is this the Enterprise crew’s first experience with time travel, but that the planet the portal exists on is the only one in the galaxy where it would even function. (When Kirk and Spock first arrive in 1930, unlike their jokey encounter with the cop in the aired version, the two are so in awe and disoriented by their surroundings that they can barely process what to do next.) Unfortunately, by the time “City” aired the franchise had in actuality already dipped its toes into time travel, twice, and has never looked back since then.
I so agree. At least when Time Travel was done in ENT, it was not under Archer’s own power. Discovery should have never had the capabilities of time travel, esp not so easily as to do with with a space suit! The first time the Federation does time travel by them selves should have been Kirk!
Lol hardly. Time travel in TOS was like a run of the mill thing. Just done for funsies.
Time travel Trek is always great. Give me more of it, directly into my veins.
“lol hardly. Time travel in TOS was like a run of the mill thing. Just done for funsies.”
Narrator: “This person does not know what happened the first time the Enterprise crew time-traveled. The above statement is factually incorrect.”
Reread my comment. It was factually correct.
Reading comprehension is important. This has been a public service announcement from people over the age of five.
ME: “When Kirk’s crew first time-traveled, it was treated like a very big deal.”
YOU: “lol hardly. Time travel in TOS was like a run of the mill thing. Just done for funsies.”
Not factually correct, no. I’ll reiterate: When Kirk’s crew first time-traveled, it was treated like a very big deal. That’s what is factual. In “The Naked Time,” there was nothing run-of-the-mil about it. They were shocked at what had happened.
Sure, but by the time of Assignment Earth they were time traveling just for the hell of it.
Breaking canon again! In the naked time, it was Spock at the end, after the matter and anti-matter cold mix “We can go back in time…” as if it was the first time he and Kirk ever experienced that.
Narrator: “Unlike RalphDataLore, this person DOES know what happened the first time the Enterprise crew time-traveled. The above statement is factually correct.”
It’s a wonder admins haven’t banned you, you’re so childish and nasty.
“But since then, time travel has occurred in multiple episodes of Enterprise, Discovery and now Strange New Worlds.”
Yep…but welcome to prequels! And to be fair about it, TOS itself basically confirmed Starfleet now used time travel for research in Assignment Earth. So while it was never something regularly done, it was something they used now and again.
But yeah, with everything from the Temporal Cold War and the 29th century Starfleet time cops showing up in the same or previous time periods not to mention Section 31 actually creating a time suit for Starfleet, it’s all become moot now anyway.
Well, we know from Dulmer and Lucsly in DS9 that Kirk was the worst when it comes to time travel. Therefore…
The funny thing is while Kirk may not have been the most time traveled as captain overall (that record easily goes to Janeway ;)), he has actually time traveled the most to past Earth out of all of them. This episode will mark his fifth visit. Picard comes in second with three visits. Yeah, the guy definitely gets around.
Are they in Toronto, or Vermont?
I don’t think there are many Roots stores in Vermont. (The revolving door scene is very clearly at their Eaton Centre store in Toronto.)
Come to Canada, ye cowards!!
Toronto Star article said it is Toronto in the episode.
That, they did! They’re not hiding the fact.
Has anybody seen if there is a “John Harrison” character listed in the credits?
Wow, Pelia really is the new Guinan. I would have laughed so hard if they ran into Picard or Soong.
You know….that works. I like it.
The night is young … (just kidding, I don’t know anything about these new episodes.)
NPR seems to have thought pretty highly of it, fwiw.
They are time traveling to Vermont? Did the Borg assimilate Ben & Jerry’s?
It would prove their superiority if they did. We need a Borg-themed flavor!
Nope. Toronto.
I think I saw Floyd’s barbershop.
Ha!
Discovery has been canceled. Prodigy has been canceled and removed. And now Paramount+ is raising prices. This is not a good sign for the future.
‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is now streaming on Paramount+…for now.’ I think they should add that in the tagline for future promotional videos to give everyone a heads up.
I’m pretty much grabbing as much physical media as I can now for Star Trek. Don’t want it to be unable to watch if I want too.
I’ve done the same
I went ahead and ordered S3 LD just in case of another summer surprise.
Me too. I was on the fence about it but I realized I might want to watch it more.
I’m very excited about this episode. In fact it’s the second one I’m most excited about outside of the Lower Decks crossover.
And it looks like this episode will tie in from the time cops from the 29th century from Voyager. The clip from the Ready Room and the holographic image we see from the time traveler is literally the same display from the Relativity time ship. Here is a clip from Sci-Fanatics showing the comparison:
https://youtu.be/T-byMW_sAXA?t=157
Pretty cool! :)
BTW, in that YT video, there is something interesting one of the commentators says about this episode that I heard about a week ago. I wrote this in another thread which got totally ignored at the time, but I’ll post it again:
“[Robert Meyer Burnett] essentially says something happens in that episode that convinces him that DIS and SNW are in a separate timeline. I personally think it’s just something that he interpreted but he seems to be claiming the show itself is making clear. Obviously IDK, but this is intriguing either way.”
At time I wrote that, I wasn’t sure if he was just theorizing something on his own. But now another commentator in that video (who has also seen the episode) essentially says the same thing. Shane from The Popcast says this about it:
“At the end of this episode, something will happen that will change the way you perceive SNW in this Star Trek universe.” He goes on to say a little more but I just wanted to give the basic gist of it. But if you want to hear a few more things he says about it, it starts around 7:40.
Preeeety interesting. Maybe nothing on the level of traveling 930 years into the future but it sounds like it could have bigger ramifications on the show going forward.
I know it’s something we have both speculated since, well, quite some time now. Picard S3 essentially reinforces this theory with a museum that contains the NX-01, a TOS Connie and a Liberty class vessel (the Liberty herself) but not one vessel from Discovery or SNW.
This frees up the writers and allows them to take the series in any direction that thy want. This may be what Akiva Goldsman was referring to when he said that canon shouldn’t get in the way of a good story. Set the series in a different timeline and canon is no longer an issue. This is the exact approach they took in 2009 before squandering it.
Discovery pretty much established that it was in an altered timeline when young Michael Burnham was saved from being killed when she ran away on Vulcan.
I’m ok with Discovery and SNW being in a different timeline.
I’m OK with that too. I suspect a lot of fans would be. Make it a full on reboot and non of that canon stuff will ever get in the way. But they keep insisting they aren’t.
I obviously agree. I been saying forever just call it a reboot and do what you want. But this is probably a better option if it happens and it just becomes an alternate timeline. It’s still not quite like the Kelvin movies since it’s not another universe entirely. Ironically I thought that’s what they were going to ultimately do with Discovery.
So I’m all for it if that’s where they are going and it would be 90% less complaints about the Gorn lol.
No, what AG means when he said he doesn’t want canon to get in the way of story was that he was going to do anything he wanted and damn canon. And that even while ignoring canon his show is still canonical.
That’s odd and here is my reasoning why. Let’s suppose that DIS and SNW are in different timelines. But if we are getting a LD and SNW crossover, AND LD is in the sae timeline as the TOS/Berman eras, then that sounds to me like it would be DIS and it’s 32nd century that is gettibg relegated to the alternate timeline and not SNW. Dunno if that makes sense.
Yeah you’re right. It would be odd if it’s no longer tied to the same timeline when Mariner and Boimler shows up. This is why time travel gives Janeway a headache. ;)
We’ll see how it plays out.
Discovery has been confirmed by the producers to be in the same timeline as TNG, DS9 etc and even more confirmation with the Discovery episode Unification 3 it has footage of Spock from the TNG’s Unification 2-parter (which Unification 3 is a sequel to) in the episode.
Some people thinking that the SNW showrunners could simply hand wave other Trek shows out of canon(If they want to hand wave their own show out of canon then that is their right) is just people being silly. If they could do that then what is stopping them from hand waving TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and PIC from canon/prime timeline?
Discovery is prime timeline/canon and that ladies and gentlemen is a fact that has been confirmed multiple times.
Those new Trek shows aren’t being made by Secret Hideout. They can’t change those shows so it doesn’t matter what they say about them.
Regarding your comment that Star Trek Discovery (and all the nu-Trek by extension) being prime, the only evidence we have of that is the producers said it is. Yet the evidence on screen contradicts that. It may be officially but there is little evidence in the finished product to say it is. This is problematic. A carmaker could produce a new model and say it’s got a 6 cylinder engine yet when the customer lifts the hood and sees only 4 they really do have a right to question what the creator said. Especially when it so obviously contradicts what they say. And the creators double down and still insist it’s 4 when the customers know it’s 6. Some might just buy it because they like the company and will treat it like the 4 cylinder engine it is despite what the creators say. Some might react with “why are you lying?” Or, “Screw you. I’m not buying this.”
I’m literally just going on what was said from people who specifically saw the episode. No more, no less.
I stated one reviewer straight up said in his review of the episode makes clear it leads to some alternate timeline. I thought that was interesting but I also stated maybe he was just theorizing or even a wish fulfillment on his part since I know how much he doesn’t like SNW. So I took that into account.
But then as shown a second reviewer of the episode came out and said the same thing. Now he did not state it as strongly as the other reviewer, but basically implied the same thing.I even left the time stamp of the video I posted so people can watch it for themselves and to decide on their own. But he is only saying this for SNW where as the other is saying this for SNW and DIS (which doesn’t make sense to me either since DIS is now 900 years away somewhere else and a big reason why I didn’t take his words that seriously). I’ll state it again, I’m only basing what people said about the episode itself,I personally have no idea one way or the the other.
And yes, the show IS in the same timeline with the others…until it isn’t. Discovery took place in the 23rd century until it no longer did. In fact, I was one of the doubters the show was going anywhere when rumors started popping up it was jumping into the future. That’s what they are implying, and was changed in this episode.
But maybe not. But the reviewer I posted said that he expects a ton of discussion over the consequences of how things are left off by the end of this episode. Again, watch the video.
Which is why it would be best to just consider everything made by Secret Hideout to be reboot. Even their individual shows can be individual reboots if they want so as not be concerned with their own established rules. Although they have been adhering to their own shows far far more than they have to any Trek that came before it seems.
Wow… I don’t know who RMB is but I listened to his interview and I feel like he has hit the nail on the head in this thoughts on SNW. And he echos something that I saw elsewhere as well.
Yeah I have a feeling you and him would be best friends when it comes to NuTrek lol.
I met RMB when I donated three days of my time and a fair sum of money to the AXANAR project (one of my more idiotic life choices; don’t ask), and found him to be both kind and enthusiastic about his work. I still like his politics, but what he and I consider good Star Trek has radically diverged these past few years.
Wow, you were involved in that? Did you get any of your money back? Yeah, I already know the answer.
I really like listening to his take on Star Trek and I don’t even agree with that much of it, but I do like his passion. Every time he makes a video about how modern Star Trek is slowly destroying western civilization, he goes into the same spiel how and why he became a fan and I listen to it every freaking time man lol. He knows how to weave a story, that’s for sure.
He’s obviously very protective of it like a lot of people and why it was surprising he liked Picard season 3 so much since that seems to be the only thing he has liked since Enterprise went off the air. I thought maybe since he came around to that (he liked it more than me and certainly you) he would look at the other shows a little differently now, but nope! ;)
Yeah, not that I’m bragging on it or anything. I was impressed by the AXANAR short, and was further intrigued by Alec Peters’ suggestion that he was going to offer the role of the Federation President to Neil deGrasse Tyson, whom I would have gotten to meet as a PA on the shoot had it gone forward. Say what you will about Peters — who turned out to be a flimflam artist and toxic personality on a cosmic scale — but he does have a certain charisma, and I’ll bet he could have talked Tyson into it.
No, I didn’t get the money back (which you could have bought a decent used car with), but I’m not sure I deserved to, the whole enterprise in retrospect being ethically pretty suspect. It’s one thing to fool around with an existing IP for fun and kicks, so long as you don’t profit. It’s entirely another to solicit donations and sell unlicensed merchandise to further your goals while paying yourself a salary out of those funds (the size of that salary being irrelevant), all while using that IP to build a studio to produce your non-Trek future projects. For all that I found him to be likable and sincere, RMB never seemed to understand why what we were doing was wrong, but I knew the jig was up when CBS announced its lawsuit, which the AXANAR crew reported with a selfie of them eating a very nice sushi lunch that I and the other idiots had paid for, smiling as though they hadn’t a care in the world.
rmb is a fandom mence crackpot he hates on all new trek just like all the other fandom menace youtubers like doomcluck and mecharandomidiot and stevefarts89 and midnightsluge and hell’sbaby and geeks and haters and crittical drunkard and captain hobo april and they are all pieces of garbage human garbage all of them are banned on most large trek fb groups
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(preceding is a reminder that punctuation is not just your friend, it is a friend to anybody having to try and read the gobblydegook (sic) that you spew.)
I still like his politics, but what he and I consider good Star Trek has radically diverged these past few years.
Truer words rarely if ever spoken.
RMB really had ‘eye of the tiger’ when it came to his treknalysis back in the 90s, but like Walt Kurtz in APOCALYPSE NOW, later his ideas changed and his methods became … unsound.
Wonder if we need to reanimate Fred Willard and send him in to terminate RMB’s twitter feed — terminate with extreme prejudice (not a dig at the Walter Hill flick of the same name, which has long been a guilty pleasure of mine, esp for the Jerry Goldsmith CD that features TWO unused music cues — the best ones on the whole soundtrack — that have inspired me in my writing for decades.)
Fred Willard would be worth reanimating for any reason. Do you suppose we could hook him up to that device June Lockhart used on Babylon 5 to drain the life energy out of the villain guest star in order transfer it to someone worthier? We could attach the other end to Donald Trump.
Hmmm, I was sure this was going to be Temporal Cold War related.
Who knows, it still could be! I don’t think it will but it sounds like we possibly have the 29th century time cops, Khan and Kirk all in the same episode. I would love it if Daniels showed up too. ;D
Of course it may not be the time cops (remember how wrong EVERYONE was that Deacon was showing up in Picard season 2….sigh) but you don’t use an image that direct if you didn’t want people thinking about it.
I’ve seen the episode and have no clue what RMB is talking about. Of course, you can decide for yourself because the episode is up early.
Wow more interesting if you say there is no effect at all. Yeah I heard it was up but only if you have it through Amazon which I don’t have.
I just watched it and have no clue either. Good episode though.
I just realized what moment RMB is talking about. I don’t want to spoil it but I personally don’t have a problem with it bc it’s something that has already had contradictory info in prior Trek.
If it is what has been eluded to be then once again I think there was a VERY easy fix they could have done that would literally change NOTHING about their story yet opted not to.
This is, of course, speculation as all I have is what I heard in that video and another source. But based on what we have gotten from SH thus far I find it super believable it is what it sounds to be. And yet another idiotic move by the show’s producers.
I think I know too, but it really isn’t that big of a deal. Star Trek painted itself in a corner during TOS about some things they should have been more vague about or just simply ignored with the later shows. I’m really OK with what they chose to do.
I have no idea what any of you are talking about of course but it does sound like something people will be discussing after they watch it as Shane said in the video I posted.
And BTW, if people didn’t watch that clip, he’s actually very positive about it. To him its a good thing and said it makes it easier for him to enjoy the show more. I’m guessing others may disagree with that though. But can’t wait now, sounds like it’s going to be a fun episode to discuss on several fronts. :)
I can’t wait to read all the comments about it tomorrow and during the weekend.
OK I watched it and yep there are definitely some interesting changes lol. Can’t wait to discuss it more soon.
Man that dude looks way too Jim Carrey and not enough William Shatner. Sometimes a performance can overcome such things, but we’ve yet to see one that does.
Lol. He does have a Jim Carey vibe.
That’s also the title to The Orvilles Season 2 finale (the first part at least) … is it a reference to something?
Macbeth
Haven’t you seen the Simpsons in London? Don’t you know that it causes bad luck to say “Macbeth”? ;-)
I have a feeling they’re going to run into 21st century Pelia rather than travel with Enterprise Pelia.
I kind of hope not, since that’s been done twice with Guinan (OK, 19th century in one case) and sometimes I think a cool idea should be left alone and not rehashed.
I think it’s made pretty clear they will meet Pelia in the past. That’s why they made such a big deal saying that her species secretly lived on Earth until the 22nd century to set up this episode.
Trek is Trek….
Hold on, I’ll side-along apparate… :) oops wrong franchise
Head’s up, there is now a promo up for this episode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPWljiWAJtc
Looks really fun and interesting! Hopefully someone from TM sees this put it up in the main article.
The full episode is up early
Not where I am.
This is a bit crazy but I just heard it was leaked watching a video from Trek Central. But according to them only if you had Paramount+ via Amazon Prime which I don’t have. I imagine it’s not there anymore either.
Makes sense. That’s where I watched it.
That could explain why I didn’t see it. I do not subscribe to Amazon.
I just watched the full episode on Paramount + via Amazon. Not sure how many other folks were able to catch it. Without delving into specific spoilers, I’m guessing this is going to be a very divisive episode. I think they handled the temporal stuff about as respectfully as they could’ve—but the real issue for me is why the producers felt they had to go there in the first place.
In terms of plot the entire approach is to sprinkle in some ‘fish out of water hijinks’ with a dash of contrivances to just get us to the episode’s climax (they go for it and end up in a place that’ll likely turn some folks sour).
It’s really all a little too goofy, which undermines a truly fantastic performance by Christina Chong. In that sense the show succeeds in giving her a chance to carry an episode (maybe in spite of itself). She’s been a gem and doesn’t disappoint here.
Wesley as Kirk is another story. He just doesn’t quite work in the context of being the same character as Shatner’s. In a weird way, the episode tries to deal with this—similarly to the Season 1 finale—but it remains to be seen if he can actually grow into the Kirk we all know. I have my doubts.
I honestly can’t reconcile if this is the worst episode of SNW or among the best—there’s just so much to work through.
Interesting. That was my first reaction, too.
My reaction — and this is a first in a half-century of watching this franchise, was “What the hell did I just watch? Who was this episode made for, and why?” Because it sure as hell wasn’t made for me.
I enjoyed the episode. I enjoyed Wesley’s performance, and Christina Chong is always good.
As far as Strange New Worlds having anything to do with prime timeline continuity goes, I’m satisfied with just calling this another road taken. Clearly Akiva Goldsman has chosen to prioritize taking canonical liberties in the name of storytelling, and since he is providing an entertaining program, I am good with it. There are some cute attempts to justify changes in established history – a small quip here, a small quip there – and there is some really amazing work done to try and stay true to the course. However once the temptation arises to do something big, Goldsman and Henry Alonzo Meyers have decided that crossing the bridge is worth it, and like I said, the show is good, so its fine.
They can go on calling SNW prime history, but we’ll just smile and enjoy the program. I just hope my main man Terry Matalas stays away from any mandates from Kurtzman that he acknowledges any of this sideways history in Star Trek: Legacy.
In whatever future nu-Trek made by Secret Hideout there will be it is a certainty they will honor and follow what happened on their shows and blatantly ignore anything from TOS that gets in their way.. And probably to a lesser extent the Berman era New-Trek.
It is easier not to break canon from shows that take place a century from now unlike TOS that is about five years away. But yes, they can still do a better job just by avoiding things like the Gorn completely.
Picard has already acknowledged SNW with the appearance of the shows updated 1701.
Frankly I’m the opposite: I hope Legacy acknowledges the changes this series is making to canon. I never liked that people hold every element in the famously slapdash TOS up as some kind of ironclad Bible.
Thirty percent of the season is finished, and the show’s lead has barely been used. Weird decision.
He and his wife just had a baby before production began.
“On Earth, two hundred years ago, I was a prince with power over millions.”
Khan Noonien-Singh in the 23rd century